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Wed Jan 06, 2010 12:02 am

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I've got the opposite question: What's the max safe input voltage for the vagabond 2 inverter? Both inverters seem to do fine up until 16v, is that true for the vagabond?




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Wed Jan 06, 2010 1:50 am

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djb wrote:
Hi Luap - like Shenanigans I am interested in a revision to the Vagabond II battery - but I am interested in going to a lower capacity battery.

I currently use the standard Vagabond II setup and it is great, except I need a full lighting setup on some remote location shoots where all gear is carried in - obviously the battery weight is a key factor in transportability.

Are there any minimum requirements for the battery? I am considering a 12v 8ah sealed lead acid battery - will this work?

Obviously capacity will be limited, but the shoots are low volume (in terms of shots / flash use) and this would bring the weight of the battery down to about 6lb.

Finally, if I am considering a second setup for the battery, will buying the inverter be sufficient to give all the features of the full Vagabond II (i.e. charging, plug-ins, etc)?

Thanks for your help
Dave

8AH is about the minimum. Vagabond draws about 55A from the battery so smaller batteries will have higher internal resistance. This won't affect cycle time much, but will reduce the number of flashes more than the battery capacity would indicate. As a guess I would say an 8AH battery would deliver 1/4 to 1/3 the number of flashes compared to a 20AH battery.




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Thu Jan 21, 2010 10:44 am

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Hi Paul,
I own the Vegabond II, what are future possibilities of a NiZn(Nickle Zinc) battery cell in the Vegabond or/and would a 3rd party 12v NiZn cell work w/ the Vegabonds rectifier. The NiZn cells seem like a great performance booster due to their low internal resistance.
Thanks!




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Thu Jan 21, 2010 2:31 pm

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Technical Support wrote:
we do not recommend using a battery less than 11V. Anything smaller could yield issues IN performance, and very small would kill the battery.

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Correction - 11V should be 11AH. Battery must be standard 12V SLA voltage - about 13V fully charged, effectively dead at 11.3V. As you get below 10AH the 60A current draw causes the battery's internal resistance to be excessive compared to the load and you get fewer shots than would be indicated by AH alone because more of the energy is dissipated in the battery as heat instead of going to the inverter. Kind of like trying to start a car with a flashlight battery.




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Thu Jan 21, 2010 3:22 pm

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So would a battery like this be compatible with the Vagabond II Inverter?
http://www.atbatt.com/product/8357.asp

12V, SLA, 10.5Ah, high discharge rate, designed for scooter applications. Only weighs 8lbs.




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Fri Jan 22, 2010 12:48 am

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Should work.




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Sat Jul 03, 2010 6:49 pm

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I have already done this with a sealed lead acid battery, and it worked great. Also read that someone made it work with a pack of 10 NIMH batteries:

http://kemplemedia.com/blog/2009/01/06/ ... ower-pack-—-lose-weight-on-location-for-‘09-—-pt2/

I was wondering if it could be make to work with a lithium ion / lithium polymer pack that outputs 12v. Here is one example:

http://cgi.ebay.com/20A-Hi-capacity-Uni ... 3934wt_913




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Sat Jul 03, 2010 10:48 pm

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A lot of voodoo going on at the link above. Lion and LiPo batteries aren't generally suitable for the high surge current needed by Vagabond. Likely this battery delivers 1C continuous current. That's 20A. Vagabond draws 60A of current. Can you say explosion! This usually requires LiFePo chemistry. Also, they list this as a 20AH battery at 650 grams . . . not possible . . . that's about the weight of a 5AH lithium pack. Also, Lion batteries do not form a 12V pack . . . they're either 11.8 or 14.8V. The 11.8 would quickly fall to 9V . . . out of Vagabond voltage range. Also, they state a 3A charge equals 4 hour charging time . . . sorry, 3A for 4 hours only yields 12AH, not 20AH.

I would not recommend this battery.




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Sun Jul 04, 2010 12:48 am

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So perhaps something more like this?

http://cgi.ebay.com/12v-13Ah-NiMH-Batte ... 1567wt_913




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